Demolitions at WSSCL Troon, Ayrshire

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Demolitions at WSSCL Troon, Ayrshire

Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:15 pm

As indicated in the front portal page, it is intended to present a listing of all known demolitions that took place over an eighty year period at what was known as the West of Scotland Shipbreaking Company Limited of Troon in South Ayrshire. That will hopefully be done before the end of this year, but meantime here is a short listing of naval breakings at that facility between the years 1945 - 1983. The future comprehensive listing will, of course, provide all details of each vessel :

1945 : HMS Wells – Destroyer (ex-USS Tillman)
1945 : HMS Goathland – Destroyer
1945 : HMS Foxglove – Sloop
1945 : H MS Blade – Submarine Tender
1946 : HMS Unruffled – Submarine
1946 : HMS Talavera – Destroyer (new down from John brown)
1946 : HMS Trincomalee – Destroyer (new down from John Brown)
1946 : HMS Wolverine – Destroyer
1946 : HMS United – Submarine
1946 : HMS Upright – Submarine
1946 : HMS Unshaken – Submarine
1946 : LCT 516 – Landing Craft Troops
1946 : LCT 767 – Landing Craft Troops
1946 : HMS Vitality – Submarine
1946 : HMS Walker – Destroyer
1946 : HMS Cardiff – Light Cruiser
1946 : ADC 651 – Ex-Landing Craft Troops
1946 : HMS Cutlass – Destroyer (new down from Yarrow)
1946 : HMS Belleisle – Destroyer (new down from Fairfield)
1946 : HMS Hastings – Sloop
1946 : HMS Carronade – Destroyer (new down from Scotts)
1946 : HMS Westcott – Destroyer
1946 : HMS Terrapin – Submarine
1946 : HMS Despatch – Light Cruiser (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1946 : LCG 09 – Landing Craft Guns
1946 : LCG 10 – Landing Craft Guns
1946 : LCG 20 – Landing Craft Guns
1946 : LCG 04 – Landing Craft Guns
1946 : LCG 17 – Landing Craft Guns
1946 : LCG 11 – Landing Craft Guns
1946 : LCG 03 – Landing Craft Guns
1946 : HMS Lagan – Frigate
1946 : HMS Marshall Soult – Depot Ship (Ex-Monitor M14)
1946 : HMS Bradford – Destroyer (Ex-USS McLanahan)
1946 : HMS Icarus – Destroyer
1946 : HMS Cybele – Stern Section – Mine Destructer (Experimental)
1946 : HMS Cybele – Bow Section – Mine Destructer (Experimental)
1946 : Job No. 9 – Submarine Test Section
1946 : HMS Diomed – Light Cruiser (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1947 : HMS Clare – Destroyer (Ex-USS Abel P. Upshur)
1947 : HMS Ambuscade – Destroyer (Fore Section)
1947 : Sultan – Training/Depot Ship (Originally Battleship) Hulk from Dalmuir
1947 : Target No. U-1 – Target Structure
1947 : Target No. U-2 – Target Structure
1947 : HMS Active – Destroyer
1947 : Emire Waveney – Troopship (Ex-Milwaukee) Hulk from Dalmuir
1947 : Appleleaf – Admiralty Oil Tanker
1947 : LCT 146 – Landing Craft Troops
1947 : P 511 – Submarine (Ex-US Submarine R 3)
1948 : HMS Coriander – Corvette (Ex-French ‘Commandant Detroyat’ & ‘Iris’)
1948 : LCT 994 – Landing Craft Troops
1948 : HMS Hawkins – Cruiser (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1948 : HMS Kent – Cruiser
1948 : HMS Sibyl – Submarine
1948 : HMS Brilliant – Destroyer
1948 : LCF 5 – Landing Craft Flak
1948 : HMS Sundew – Corvette
1948 : HMS Anthony
1948 : HMS Seanymph – Submarine
1948 : HMS Emerald – Light Cruiser
1948 : ADC 500 – Landing Craft (Ex-LCT 500 Ammunition Disposal Craft)
1948 : ADC 1230 – Landing Craft (Ex-LCT 500 Ammunition Disposal Craft)
1948 : HMS Seadog – Submarine
1948 : Z-30 – Destroyer (Seized German Destroyer)
1948 : ADC 973 – Landing Craft (Ex-LCT 973)
1948 : ADC 837 – Landing Craft (Ex-LCT 837)
1948 : HMS Amazon – Destroyer
1948 : ADC 1203 – Landing Craft
1948 : ADC 1205 – Landing Craft
1949 : HMS Pennywort – Corvette
1949 : HMS Ashani – Destroyer
1949 : HMS Wayland – Repair Ship (Ex-‘Antonia’ of Cunard)
1949 : HMS Cowslip – Corvette
1949 : HMS Kelvin – Destroyer
1949 : HMS Queen Elizabeth – Battleship (Hulk - down from Dalmuir)
1949 : HMS Javelin – Destroyer (Ex-Kashmir)
1949 : HMS Eskimo
1949 : HMS Furious – Aircraft Carrier (Hulk - down from Dalmuir)
1949 : HMS Kimberley – Destroyer
1949 : HMS Orion – Cruiser
1949 : Argo – Ammunition Ship
1949 : Nora – Ammunition Ship
1949 : HMS Storm – Submarine
1949 : HMS Ramillies – Battleship (Hulk - up from Cairnryan)
1949 : HMS Racehorse – Destroyer
1950 : HMS Penn – Destroyer
1950 : HMS Valiant – Battleship (Hulk - up from Cairnryan)
1950 : HMS Nonsuch – Destroyer (Ex-German Destroyer Z38)
1950 : HMS Sussex – Cruiser (Hulk - down from Dalmuir)
1950 : HMS Shalimar – Submarine
1951 : HMS Lotus – Corvette
1951 : HMS Trollope – Frigate (USA Lend/Lease)
1951 : LCGM 132 – Landing Craft Gun Medium
1954 : AFD 9 – Floating Dock (partial structure) Towed from Singapore
1955 : HMS Wye – Frigate
1955 : HMS Rother – Frigate
1955 : HMS Shropshire – Cruiser (Ex-RAN : Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1956 : HMS Bulowayo – Naval Tanker (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1956 : HMS Caister Castle – Corvette
1956 : HMS Lochy – Frigate
1956 : HMS Helford – Frigate
1956 : HMS Black Swan – Sloop
1956 : HMS Alacrity – Sloop
1957 : HMS Indefatigable – Aircraft Carrier (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1957 : HMS Waveney – Frigate
1957 : Empire Ken – Troopship (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1958 : HMS Portchester Castle – Frigate F 362
1958 : HMS Tintagel Castle – Frigate F 399
1958 : HMS Stork – Sloop / Survey
1959 : HMS Ossory – Minesweeper
1959 : HMS King George V – Battleship
1959 : HMS Templar – Submarine P 316
1959 : Orchy – Decoy Ship for the R.N. from 1939
1960 : HMS Unicorn – Aircraft Carrier (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1960 : HMS Damsay – Naval Trawler
1961 : HMS Cossack – Destroyer
1961 : HMS Superb – Cruiser (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1962 : HMS Cardigan Bay – Frigate (Ex-Loch Laxford)
1962 : HMS Vanguard – Battleship (Hulk delivery)
1962 : HMS Jamaica – Cruiser (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1962 : HMS Hound – Minesweeper
1962 : HMS Comet – Destroyer
1962 : HMS Guardian – Netlayer
1963 : HMS Pheasant – Sloop
1963 : HMS Orestes – Minesweeper
1963 : HMS Tahay – Trawler/Danlayer
1964 : HMS Scotsman – Submarine
1965 : HMS Tyrian – Frigate
1965 : HMS Ariadne – Minelayer (Hulk down from Dalmuir)
1965 : HMS Tenacious – Frigate (Originally built as a Destroyer)
1965 : HMS Scott – Survey Vessel
1965 : HMS Shackleton – Survey Vessel (Ex-Minesweeper ‘Sharpshooter’)
1966 : HMS Terpsichore – Frigate (Originally built as a Destroyer)
1967 : HMS Aurochs – Submarine
1967 : HMS Sursay – Trawler / Danlayer
1967 : HMS Ronay – Trawler / Danlayer
1967 : HMS Urchin – Destroyer
1967 : HMS Solebay – Destroyer
1970 : HMS Talent (3) – Submarine (launched as HMS Tasman)
1970 : HMS Thermopylae – Submarine
1970 : HMS Anchorite – Submarine (Ex-‘Amphion’)
1971 : HMS Zest – Frigate (Originally built as a Destroyer)
1976 : HMS Blackwood – Frigate
1977 : Spaburn – RN Water Tanker
1977 : Spalake – RN Water Tanker
1980 : (Dutch Naval vessel believed to have been a Minesweeper)
1982 : Admiral Fitzroy – Weather Ship (Ex-HMS Amberley Castle)
1982 : Admiral Beaufort – Weather Ship (Ex-HMS Pevensey Castle)
1982 : Vega P707 – French Navy ‘Sirius’ Class coastal Minesweeper
1982 : Eridan P741 – French Navy ‘Sirius’ Class coastal Minesweeper
1982 : Sagittaire P743 – French Navy ‘Sirius’ Class coastal Minesweeper
1983 : HMS Dundas – Frigate

The great majority of the above listings are derived from an original hand-written Log Register kept by the West of Scotland Shipbreaking Company. This was a lucky find, but unfortunately it only covers the period from July 1945 through until December 1972, and many of the entries are partially legible only due to water and fire damage.
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Re: Demolitions at WSSCL Troon, Ayrshire

Post by Brianh » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:44 pm

Angus - thanks for putting this listing up, you had a very fotunate find. I imagine that the breakers were not too active in wartime with much of the harbour being given over to landing craft training.

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:32 pm

Hi, Brian, thanks for response. I'm afraid my research into the war years at WSSCL has not progressed too well to date, just not enough free time (and believe me it does take a lot of time!) but I hope to remedy that in due course. There were quite a lot of 'beyond pracicable/economic repair' situations around the Clyde during the war years and these, of course, would have to end up having to be scrapped, but the larger stuff probably went to Port Glasgow and Dalmuir.
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Post by Brianh » Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:56 pm

I see that one of the ships broken at Troon was the ammo hulk Argo, there is a thread on Clydesite as to the correct photograph of the ship which may have been the WWI Q ship Lothbury.

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:35 pm

I don't have anything to compare that image against so cannot help in that regard, but she would seem to fit the case for the 1906 ARGO and the tonnage seems about right. Some sources infer that her Builder (John Shearer and Son) built the vessel at their Elderslie facility (that was later to become Barclay Curles's Elderslie Drydocks and Shiprepair Company) but I believe she came out of their Kelvinhaugh facility which they still occupied in 1906.
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Post by E28 » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:20 pm

This extensive list appears to comprise all admiralty tonnage of one form or another, courtesy of BISCO.
Is there civil or merchant tonnage too.
Some great history passed through here. Love to deal with each separately. Alas, time is my master and the great reaper reckons this is acutely lacking.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:05 pm

The summary listing I drafted some four months or so ago was restricted to naval-related shipping, and even at that is not the complete picture. There are literally hundreds more of ordinary commercial shipping, and of course quite a few additional naval ones too. The intention is to compile a complete listing that will cover the 80-year life span of the West of Scotland Shipbreaking Company, in chronological order. There is a bit of a way to go with this project yet, but it will happen in due course, unless that Great reaper you refer to comes calling before than. In which case I will try to do a deal with him ..... I can be quite persuasive when it comes to matters maritime, fishing, marine engineering or desalination :lol:
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Post by E28 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:19 pm

Angus, going back to your 1st post here, there appear to be a number of errors, but if we do this in slo mo.

1 - 1970 and the T class sub Talent, this was not the Dutch Talent but our RN one. There were in fact 3 T class boats allocated this name, Talent, and i can post up full details of all 3 if you'd like.

2 - In 1947 you have Thermisocles, can you just tell me what this ship actually is please.

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Post by davidships » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:12 pm

"Thermisocles" is presumably the THEMISTOCLES - refrigerated cargo/passenger liner built in 1911 by Harland & Wolff, Belfast for George Thompson & Co, London (Aberdeen Line) and later with Shaw Savill. She remained in commercial service during WW2 until laid up in 1946. She was sold to W. Arnott Young & Co, Dalmuir in 1947. Not an HMS.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:14 pm

Correct, David, thanks for spotting this glaring error. Have deleted it from this particular listing as she was merchant and not naval, per your annotations.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:31 pm

E28 wrote:Angus, going back to your 1st post here, there appear to be a number of errors, but if we do this in slo mo.

1 - 1970 and the T class sub Talent, this was not the Dutch Talent but our RN one. There were in fact 3 T class boats allocated this name, Talent, and i can post up full details of all 3 if you'd like.

2 - In 1947 you have Thermisocles, can you just tell me what this ship actually is please.

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Sean - yes, please post all three, as there is something not right here and it's become confusing with the cancellation of one of the series of TALENTs.
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Post by E28 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:38 pm

Talent, and which Talent is which, or was, or may have been.

Further to my post 8, and the confusion concerning the T class subs named Talent. o-ordered, ld-laid down, l-launched, c-completed, bu-broken up.

Talent 1 - was ordered as P322 and renamed Talent, P322. VA-Tyne, Job J4385, Yard n/a, order 6.6.1941 and cancelled 12.7.1941, replaced by new order for 8 U class.

Talent 2 - was ordered as Talent, P322. VA Barrow, Job J3819, Yard 843, order 3.8.1941, ld 13.10.1942, l 17.7.1943, c 4.12.1943, lent to Dutch navy 6.12.1943 as Zwaardvis (or Zwaardvisch), later purchased and paid off 11.12.1962, never converted as a riveted boat, and sold for bu 12.7.1963 in Holland.

Talent 3 - was ordered as Tasman, P337, VA Barrow, Job J3851, yard 873, o 20.12.1941, ld 21.3.1944, l 13.2.1945. c 27.7.1945. She was renamed Talent 3 after her launch in 4.1945 and it is this Talent which is pictured in your thread Berthing at Troon when she arrived there for bu.
It is this Talent any reference to an HMS Talent refers.

Talent 4 - P343 was originally ordered from VA Barrow JobJ3871, yard 877, then cancelled and re ordered from Scotts as Job J11062, yard 636 on 18.4.1942 and cancelled 28.4.1944

Talent 5 - Only joking.

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PS - Talent 5 - no joke, that is the nuclear Talent actually, still serving.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:48 pm

Sean :

Thanks for that comprehensive clarification. Have edited original entry - above - accordingly.

You need to be quite 'talent'-ed to keep up with all these cancellations, name changes, etc. :roll:
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:55 pm

........ and here she is ..............

Arriving at Troon on 28th February 1970, drawing 9' 9" For'd and 13' 0" Aft.

Breaking started on 2nd march 1970 and was completed on 18th December 1970
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Post by E28 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:46 pm

Up to about 1950, a remarkable number of these warships were to arrive at Troon in varying and assorted conditions.

Not, one might say, as you'd expect.

In fact, how many of these previous front line warships, many with illustrious pasts, ever arrived there at all in their varying states of dilipadation and destruction, is in itself, quite a tale.

It would be nice if everyone who has memories of any of these poor unfortunate, but needless to say war worn and weary old wrecks, could post their memories, to help facilitate a truly intriguing history of this place where a broken and ultimately beached warship met her final demise.

Not in some glorious battle, but simply an inevitable and melancholy march in the name of progress.

I suspect that this will turn into an extremely lengthy thread.
Here's hoping.
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Post by E28 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:53 pm

1945 - Wells.
Although BISCO had allocated her to be bu here 23 July 1945, in fact she did not arrive until Feb 1946.
At wars end she was already in the Clyde and allocated for air target work, work having been undertaken at Rosyth from the previous Oct.
Never undertook this task, so was conveniently located and arrived un assisted, never an especially reliable destroyer whose war was more downs than ups.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:23 pm

Sean :

I wrote a response to you previous message posted today at 17:46 hrs but I posted it at precisely the same time as your last message timed today at 20:53 hours and something happened to it in cyber space .... i.e. there it was, not there :(

So I'll firstly address your last message, then respond to your previous one again :

With regard to HMS WELLS, here is what appears in the Troon Demolitions section I have been working on :

Vessel Name on Arrival: HMS Wells
Vessel Type: Destroyer
GRT: 1,530
Draught For'd: 07' 06"
Draught Aft: 09' 09"
Year Built: 1921

Arrival Date: 23/07/1945 at 12:15 hours
Breakup Started: 07/08/1945
Date First Beaching: 10/09/1945 at 13:00 hrs
2nd Beaching: 11-09-1945 at 02:00 hrs
3rd Beaching: 24-09-1945 at 03:00 hrs
4th Beaching: 25-09-1945 at 02:00 hrs
5th Beaching: 09-10-1945 at 12:00 hrs
Breakup Completed: 23/11/1945

Original Builder: Charleston Naval Yard
Original Yard No.: Charleston, South Carolina

Name Changes:
Originally built as USS Tillman for the U.S. Navy

Inactive between the years 1922 - 1930 (Laid up at the Philadelphia Naval Yard)

Mainly used for patrol and training duties under the US Flag

Transferred over to the British Royal Navy in the 'Destroyers for Bases' USA / UK Agreement

Commissioned into the Royal Navy : 05/12/1940 and renamed HMS Wells

Other Information:
Twin-Screw Propulsion

Launched : 07/07/1919

Completed : 30/04/1921

Decommissioned : July 1945

Sold off : 24/07/1945

During WWII, HMS Wells was used for various duties by the R.N., mainly escort duties for convoys to and from Iceland, and up and down the East Coast and the Firth of Forth. In January 1942, she intercepted an SOS signal transmitted by the American steamer SS R. J. Cullen which had run aground on the South East coastline of the Isle of Barra in the Outer Hebrides. She stood by whilst lifeboats and tugs went to the rescue of the stricken merchantman.


Regarding your previous message (the one to which my original answer disappeared!) the Troon Demolitions record I am putting together will cover over 400 vessels across the 80 years that the West of Scotland Shipbreaking facility was extant. In all instances where I have or can derivve the historical information, I intend to record more than just the bare facts, i.e. in particular in the case of naval shipping I intend to provide a resume of their naval, and especially, war careers

As you correctly point out, many of the various fighting vessels that ended their days here at Troon's WSSCL gave valiant service and distinguished themselves in the War at Sea.

Once the new Troon Demolitions Listing is 'rolled out' (I intensely dislike that modern buzz language but it seems to fit the bill here) I look forward to knowledgeable chappies like yourself and Brian Hargreaves adding to and correcting as and where appropriate, particularly when it comes to these grey boats !

So, yes, in response to your well-made point, it is important we capture the illustrious adventures and heroics of these small ships that braved the elements, superior surface and submarine forces - at least for the first three years - and to whom we all have so much to be grateful for.
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Post by E28 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:20 pm

A most excellent and superbly presented piece on Wells here by you Angus.

I shall let you continue, if all the future demolitions are to this standard, we will be in for a treat.

Amongst the info you have, would it also include any detail on where the ship was delivered from, and by what means. You are no doubt aware of the BISCO structure, and the manner in which all monies owed to the breaker was duly distributed.

If this is relevant, all surviving 7 H class subs were also demolished here from Aug 1944 to July 1945, and the sub Proteus, arrived 26 Feb 1946, is not in your 1st post list.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:59 pm

Sean :

I have none of the surviving 'H'-Class submarines in the WSSCL Register as it only starts from 23rd July 1945, in addition to which the first 6 or 7 pages have burn and water damage on the left hand side of each page and that, unfortunately, is where the vessel names appear.

The Parthian-Class submarine HMS Proteus is a bit of a mystery and should have been found in the Register - if she did indeed arrive at Troon in late February 1946 - but as I say the page is damaged and perhaps I'm missing something. All I have for the 26th February 1946 is something ......... Strip with the annotation 'Lily' below that entry, and under the columns that normally provides beaching movements and dates there appears the legend "Broken up inside the Harbour". So I don't think that was her, and elsewhere I have seen a notation that she arrived for bearking at Troon in March 1946, but once more I cannot find anything in the Register that aligns with that as all the March arrivals are legible and I have identified them. I know these were weapons of stealth whose salvation depended on remaining undetected, but did she sneak into Troon without anyone noticing and logging the fact, then self-demolish in the Inner Basin perhaps :?

My research notes on the seven surviving 'H'-Class suggests the following details, which I intend to capture in the record unless I hear to the contrary :

H28/N28 : Ordered Jan 15 : Laid 18-03-17 : Launch 12-03-18 : Commiss 26-06-18 : Sold to WSSCL August 1944

H33/N33 : Ordered Jun 17 : Laid 20-11-17 : Launch 24-08-18 : Commiss 15-04-19 : Sold to WSSCL October 1944

H32/N32 : Ordered Feb 17 : Laid 20-04-17 : Launch 19-11-18 : Commiss 14-05-19 : Sold for breaking October 1944

H34/N34 : Ordered Jun 17 : Laid 20-11-17 : Launch 05-11-18 : Commiss 19-11-19 : Sold to WSSCL July 1945

H43/N43 : Ordered Jul 17 : Laid 04-10-17 : Launch 03-02-19 : Commiss 13-10-19 : Sold to WSSCL November 1944

H44/N44 : Ordered Jul 17 : Laid 10-10-17 : Launch 17-02-19 : Commiss 23-03-20 : Sold to WSSCL February 1945

H50/N50 : OrderedOct 17 : Laid 23-01-18 : Launch 25-10-19 : Commiss 13-01-20 : Sold to WSSCL July 1945

I'm assuming, but have no supporting evidence to date, that H32/N32 did in fact come to Troon's WSSCL for breaking, are you able to confirm?

Thanks again for your support, much appreciated !
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Post by E28 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:15 pm

Thanks for this Angus, most enlightening, but also baffling.

As you are well aware, the definitive record is always that of the primary source, and with these records you have here, you have already demolished all written texts about the Wells, and she is only the first one on your list.
Many congratulations.

Those interested in the disposal of warships have 3 volumes we consult, and all are regarded as the standard works.
A - British warships 1914-1919
B - Warships of WW2
C - Ships of the Royal Navy
All 3 have 1 thing in common.
They were written or co written by the remarkable, methodical, late, Jim Colledge. If anyone knew, Jim knew.

Certainly the fates of H32 and Proteus all concur, bu at Troon. Additionally, virtually every other published record will use these volumes, so any error will inevitably be repeated and then becomes the accepted fact.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:04 pm

Sean :

Yes, a bit of a dilemma, but in the absence of hard evidence to the contrary I would accept anything Colledge recorded as veritas - he was very very good as you allude.

I have not yet exhausted all possible sources, that will happen per vessel when I am actually capturing the details as best known. Where they are not known, unclear, in conflict with other sources, or in any way suspect, I will hold in abeyance until I have exhausted all sources - that may include contemporary newspaper reporting, etc. (Not that they are always the definitive truth of the matter :( )

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Post by Brianh » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:57 pm

a couple more said to be down to the WSS Co - P511 in Feb. 1948 - tho. she sank in Kames Bay and may have been scrapped in situ - and Varne which was used in Ship Target Trials in Loch Alsh and again may have been scrapped in situ in Sept. 1958.

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Re: Demolitions at WSSCL Troon, Ayrshire

Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:11 pm

Hi, Brian :

Thanks for that. According to the WSSCL Register, the following details for P 511 (ex-US Submarine R3) :

30-12-1947 : P511 arrived at Troon, drawing 14' 6" For'd and 17' 6" Aft. (Had previously foundered in Kames Bay)
07-01-1948 : Reberthed
28-01-1948 : Reberthed
06-02-1948 : Commenced breaking
12-02-1948 : Reberthed
18-02-1948 : Reberthed
11-03-1948 : Reberthed - Inner Basin
12-03-1948 : Reberthed - Inner Basin
23-03-1948 : Reberthed - Inner Basin
31-03-1948 : 1st beaching (draught at first beaching 8' 0" For'd and 9' 6" Aft)
09-09-1948 : Breaking Completed


Regarding HMS VARNE (P81), however, there is no mention given to her in the Troon Register, although when I check various sources through the WWW they certainly infer she met he end at Troon, where she is reported to have arrived in September 1958. Strange she is not mentioned - the only arrivals I have in 1958 are the following seven :

23-05-1958 : HMS Portchester Castle - Frigate (F362)
31-05-1958 : HMS Tintagel Castle - Frigate (F399)
04-06-1958 : HMS Stork - Patrol Frigate
05-06-1958 : Baltannic - ex -Zaanstroom 1913 and Westland 1920. Baltannic from 1925 until hulked in 1950
26-07-1958 : War Nawab - Tanker for British Government service
01-08-1958 : Beryl - Coaster for William Robertson's Gem Line of Glasgow
12-08-1958 : Kerrymore - Coaster for R. McCowen & Sons oof Larne. N.I.

Sometimes I wish I had just gone in for stamp-collecting or train-spotting, I'm sure it would have been easier !
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Re: Demolitions at WSSCL Troon, Ayrshire

Post by Ianbuxton » Wed May 04, 2011 9:23 pm

Angus' compilation is a good framework. I will be able to add a bit when it is in a more polished form.
BTW RAMILLIES was started at Cairnryan not Dalmuir.
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Re: Demolitions at WSSCL Troon, Ayrshire

Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Wed May 04, 2011 9:53 pm

Thanks, Ian, that would be excellent if you would be good enough to review and correct or add to any entries requiring it, that would put the finishing touch to the project and render it as accurate as it will probably ever be possible now. I wish I could give you an estimated finish date for the compilation but it is quite a big job and there is a long way to go yet.

Thanks for the correction re HMS Ramillies

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Re: Demolitions at WSSCL Troon, Ayrshire

Post by E28 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:48 pm

Angus, elsewhere on this forum you have requested names of any RN ships that met their fates at Troon prior to WW2.

Having my work rained off today, in a few idle moments have mustered the following, just a quick leisurely perusal from the usual sources but i think it is complete.
I could find nothing by WSSCL in this era, most surprising.

The following are all HMS demolitions by J.J.King, Troon, between 1922 and WW2, all these being destroyers or larger.
Naiad - 1922 cruiser
Phaeton - 1923 cruiser
Dublin - 1926 cruiser
Centaur - 1934 cruiser
Opportune - 1923 M cl destroyer
Torch - 1929 S cl destroyer. Just states Troon
Tormentor 1929 R cl destroyer wrecked en route
Romola - 1930 R cl destroyer
Note, these clearly state King, except Torch.

Apparently none of the breakers there were in any way involved in the post war culling of the fleet 1920 - 1922.
Maybe you could explain the reason.
I have no idea how many merchants, tugs etc were broken in this period at Troon.
Were the breakers there connected in any way to each other, location excepted.
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Re: Demolitions at WSSCL Troon, Ayrshire

Post by MEB » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:26 pm

Does anyone have any details about the demolition of HMS Unshaken in 1946, for example similar to those given for HMS Wells in the posts? My father served in Unshaken during WW2 and I am researching and writing about her history. So any details about her scrapping would be very much appreciated.

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