Help Wanted ! L. C. 8 - 165989

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:28 pm

Looking for any information possible on the above craft of which I have no details whatsoever. A late uncle served as AB on her from 7th January 1946 through 21st March 1946, having joined her at Rothesay and left her at Glasgow.

The 'Description of Voyage' section of his Certificate of Discharge indicates she was engaged in H.T. Salvage - which I presume means Home Trade?

Also have another Certificate of Discharge showing that he served on the FLOWERET of Wick, as 1st Engineer, having joined her at Aultbea on 09-04-1944 and left her at Wick on 07-08-1944. I think this was probably an ex fishing vessel that had been requisitioned by the Royal Navy for war service and, like other fishing boats from the Northern and Western Isles, was engaged in servicing the merchant and Naval vessels around Loch Ewe gathering to form convoys for the Murmansk runs.

Any help would be gratefully received.

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Post by yorkieman » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:33 am

Angus, I have an old 'Warships' supplement (WSS) from 1983 which lists all fishing vessels taken up.
FLOWERET is in the 'under 80grt' section with no details other than 28nrt and requisitioned 1940-1945.

The 'LC 8' I suspect may have had some other prefix as most of them were LCT, LCM etc.
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Post by Robert » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:56 pm

LC.8 was a Lifting Craft. 939 tons (think that's gross but why?)
My notes, which are unconfirmed, include,
Built by John Brown and launched on 30 November 1940.
No propulsion.
12/12/1940 completed. 173ft x 39.2ft. Central superstructure for crew accommodation and below, an engine room for the steam machinery to provide power for all her equipment plus holds and store rooms for salvage equipment. Civilian manned, managed by salvage companies in WW2 with RN salvage officers as and when required. 1977 sold to Pounds.
I failed to record the source of much of this but the standard detail is in "Ships for a Nation" by Ian Johnston at yard number 574. :oops:

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Yorkieman & Alba

Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:18 pm

:clap: Stars, the pair of you, well done :D

George - I thought the same thing myself when I saw the L C only, but it seems deliberate insofar as she was expressly designed as a Lifting Craft, rather than the conventional Landing Craft (Motors, Craft, Tanks, Infantry, etc)

Yes - FLOWERET was no doubt a wooden construction herring drift net boat requisitioned by the Navy

Alba - again, most helpful, many thanks, but I think the dates might be interpreted as follows :

22-03-1940 : Laid Down
30-09-1940 : Launched
31-10-1940 : Completed

What do you think?

Thanks again - most grateful,

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Post by Robert » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:18 pm

Well, as I said, not confirmed, and can't find the source.
In partIcular, have no idea where completion of 12/12 came from.
Ian is quite clear about launch on 30/09 and completion 31/10 so I'll just lie down for a while and perhaps I'll perk up.
It's the drink you know. Not getting enough.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:40 pm

[quote="Alba I'll just lie down for a while and perhaps I'll perk up. It's the drink you know. Not getting enough. B[/quote]

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Post by yorkieman » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:11 pm

If my brain had been in gear (too early in the day for that) I might have remembered the LC's, especially as one of them still survives in the crystal waters of the Humber. Page includes a photo from the Clyde.
http://www.teesbuiltships.co.uk/furness ... 101940.htm
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:38 am

Excellent, Maestro !

They were a fair size then, could imagine that from the previous info, but there's nothing like a photo to substantiate it.

You are a wealth of information, Sir.

Now, wonder how I can establish what she was busy with in the first quarter of 1946 :lol:

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Post by yorkieman » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:08 pm

180ft. x 39ft., dumb but with steam plant for winches and pumps.
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Post by davesowdon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:15 pm

Hi All

I have written an article about the Admiralty Lifting Craft of WW1 & WW2. The WW1 part (LC's1-7) was published in the WSS Warships magazines 170-172 (August 2012-March 2013). The later part (LC's 8-28) will start to appear shortly.

If anybody is interested in subscribing to the journal, please contact our Business Manager, Brian Hargreaves who is also a ClydeMaritime member.

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:56 pm

davesowdon wrote:Hi All

I have written an article about the Admiralty Lifting Craft of WW1 & WW2. The WW1 part (LC's1-7) was published in the WSS Warships magazines 170-172 (August 2012-March 2013). The later part (LC's 8-28) will start to appear shortly.

If anybody is interested in subscribing to the journal, please contact our Business Manager, Brian Hargreaves who is also a ClydeMaritime member.

cheers

Dave

Thank you, Dave! I knew when I first asked the question if there was anyone who might have the answers it would be Dave Sowdon and Brian Hargreaves! However, there are another couple of knowledgeable sources too, as I was to discover. Thank you all for your valued help and good luck with your subsequent article, Dave.
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Post by millfield153a » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:12 pm

Her Official Log and Crew Agreements for both halves of 1946 are in the National Archives at Kew: BT 381/3953

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:34 pm

millfield153a wrote:Her Official Log and Crew Agreements for both halves of 1946 are in the National Archives at Kew: BT 381/3953
Just gets better all the time - you guys are amazing :clap:
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Post by davesowdon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:36 pm

That Yorkieman has some interesting shots of LC 10 & LC 11 in their present condition.

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:37 pm

davesowdon wrote:That Yorkieman has some interesting shots of LC 10 & LC 11 in their present condition.
Yes - these were very informative and helpful - very occasionally that 'Freeman of Eriskay', aka Yorkiemannie, can be like that, but only just occasionally - most of the time he's a winder-upper extraordinaire! ;)

With reference to your earlier message in respect to LC 8's Official Log and Crew Agreements (for 1st quarter of 1946) at the National Archives at Kew (T 381/3953), does this need a visit or can it be done on line including payment of any fees?

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Post by millfield153a » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:12 pm

You can ask online for a quote from the National Archives for copying the document. Alternatively I would be happy to take photographs of the relevant material the next time I am there (which may not be before the end of August).

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:29 pm

millfield153a wrote:You can ask online for a quote from the National Archives for copying the document. Alternatively I would be happy to take photographs of the relevant material the next time I am there (which may not be before the end of August).
I will try that first to see how I get on and if it fails for any reason then I would very gratefully take up your kind offer as long as you will advise details of, and accept compensation for, your time/travel/photography/scanning or other costs that might be involved.

Many thanks once more to all,

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Post by davesowdon » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:45 am

Hi Angus

All being well I'm going to Kew week Saturday so can photograph the document then.

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:28 pm

Noted, Dave, many thanks.

I will go through the motions of trying contacting them direct today or tomorrow and will keep you posted how it goes, failing which it would be great if you could come to the rescue on your forthcoming visit.

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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:49 am

Hallo, again Dave :

I'm afraid, as in the past, for me the National Archives website makes quantum physics seem like a doddle. Unable to get very far with trying to get a line on BT 381 / 3953, therefore would be most appreciative for your help in respect to the period 7th January through 21st March 1946 activities and whereabouts of LC 8. Just whenever you can, no pressure.

Regards and Thanks,

Angus.

P.S. I tried also by telephone but that was equally unsuccessful and the chap suggested best if I 'paid a visit' .... ! :(
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Post by Robert » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:12 pm

makes quantum physics seem like a doddle
Just like a flat pack I assembled yesterday. Actually, took me three days but then there were five dimension errors, two completely false instructions and two which simply defied belief. I'm as thick as two short planks but grand-daughter thinks it's great. What a relief!
I only replied to this because I get constant irritation from the National Archive which is not only more difficult than quantum physics but is often wrong. I think it employs too many pen pushers who pick up fat salaries and who don't know the time of day.
Isn't nice to have a rant?
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:30 pm

Alba wrote:
makes quantum physics seem like a doddle
Just like a flat pack I assembled yesterday. Actually, took me three days but then there were five dimension errors, two completely false instructions and two which simply defied belief. I'm as thick as two short planks but grand-daughter thinks it's great. What a relief!
I only replied to this because I get constant irritation from the National Archive which is not only more difficult than quantum physics but is often wrong. I think it employs too many pen pushers who pick up fat salaries and who don't know the time of day. Isn't nice to have a rant?:beer:
To be perfectly honest, if I was not quite such a 'thicko' I could probably overcome the perceived problems, a certain modicum of intelligence in potential users is taken for granted when they design these websites. A certain modicum of intelligence was being handed out the day I was off school - herding the bull !

Yes - flat-packs have, in the past, given me cause to wish no good on the designers. Having said that, come back MFI - all is forgiven!

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Post by yorkieman » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:41 pm

The former LC 10 still on duty as a tug pontoon at Immingham, seen here on 4 July 2013.
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:19 pm

They must have been of a robust construction, George, presume LC 10 is now of the order of 70 years of age? Wearing a wee tad better than the Eriskean .... ! :(

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Post by Brianh » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:45 pm

LC* outboard of LC11 at Greenock 11 April 1963 - this is more or less as bulit.
LC 8 110463 44.jpg

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Post by Dennis Maccoy » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:12 pm

LC10 & LC11 Greenock 22 April 1984_4_1.jpg
LC 10 & LC 11, Greenock 22 April 1984.
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Post by davesowdon » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:39 pm

Hi Angus

I can't seem to get the PM system to work, but please send me your email address and I will update you on my findings at Kew.

cheers

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