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sparksoft
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New Member hoping for information :)

Post by sparksoft » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:12 pm

Hi All

'looks like a well run and interesting forum! :)

My Dad recently passed away and looking through his old photos, we found a photo of the ship he was on, H.M.S. Hound. I have managed to find a number of photos of the ship (and I have a couple of photos of my Dad from those days, one of them showing other members of the crew.)

It would be great if I could find more information about the ship (and where it saw action and when) and the crew (especially an Alan (or Allen?) Merrick who was a good mate of Dad's.

My Dad's name is Ernest (Ernie) Bate. He was on the 'Hound during the war years, but we are not actually sure on the dates (Dad could not speak for the last 17 years of his life due to a stroke, so we couldn't ask him much).

Anyway, I think I have overshot on my "Hello" post ... so I will post the info and the photos on a more appropriate area of the board.

Once again, Hello all and Thank You! :)

Best Regards

Les :)

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Re: New Member hoping for information :)

Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:05 pm

Hi, Les :

Firstly, welcome on board the good ship ClydeMaritime :D

Sorry to learn of the loss of your Dad and hopefully through the site you might learn a bit more on his naval career as there are a number of very knowledgeable members who specialise in the naval vessels.

Meantime, as she ended her days in my home town, here in Troon, a few details follow to start the ball rolling :

HMS HOUND - Algerine Class Minesweeper

Pennant Number : J 307
Builder : Lobnitz & Company of Renfrew, Scotland
Yard Number : 1046
Date Keel Laid Down : 02-12-1941
Date Launched : 29-07-1942
Date Commissioned : 11-12-1942

Length : 68.6 metres (223 feet)
Beams : 10.8 metres ( 35 feet)

Tonnage : 1,010 tons

Complement : 85 men

Propulsion : Twin-Screw Geared Steam Turbines developing 2,000 HP and giving 16.5 knots

Armaments : 1 x 4 inch Gun + 4 x 20mm guns

HMS Hound was sold for bearking on 01-09-1962

She arrived at the West of Scotland Shipbreaking Company Limited, Troon, South Ayrshire on 03-09-1962

On arrival she was drawing 7' 6" for'd and 11' 00" aft

05-11-1962 : Breaking Commenced
17-12-1962 : First beaching of vessel in the breaking process
08-02-1963 : Breaking completed 100%

I will check later to see whether I have anything on her naval career and/or a photograph.
Angus Mac Kinnon

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Re: New Member hoping for information :)

Post by IanT » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:25 pm

Hello Les, Welcome to Clyde Maritime I found this on the internet if it helps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hound_%28J307%29.

Regards Ian
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Re: New Member hoping for information :)

Post by sparksoft » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:51 pm

Hi Angus

Thank you very much for the extended info (I found some on Wikipedia for you have extended it!) :)

One quick question: Do you know the significance of the "J" in the Pennant number, J307? I have seen photos of the ship with an "M", M307 which I assumed (probably ignorantly!) meant Minesweeper. So do you have any idea why it is sometimes seen as "M307" and at other times "J307"?

Thank you again.

Les :)

Angus Mac Kinnon wrote:Hi, Les :

Firstly, welcome on board the good ship ClydeMaritime :D

Sorry to learn of the loss of your Dad and hopefully through the site you might learn a bit more on his naval career as there are a number of very knowledgeable members who specialise in the naval vessels.

Meantime, as she ended her days in my home town, here in Troon, a few details follow to start the ball rolling :

HMS HOUND - Algerine Class Minesweeper

Pennant Number : J 307
Builder : Lobnitz & Company of Renfrew, Scotland
Yard Number : 1046
Date Keel Laid Down : 02-12-1941
Date Launched : 29-07-1942
Date Commissioned : 11-12-1942

Length : 68.6 metres (223 feet)
Beams : 10.8 metres ( 35 feet)

Tonnage : 1,010 tons

Complement : 85 men

Propulsion : Twin-Screw Geared Steam Turbines developing 2,000 HP and giving 16.5 knots

Armaments : 1 x 4 inch Gun + 4 x 20mm guns

HMS Hound was sold for bearking on 01-09-1962

She arrived at the West of Scotland Shipbreaking Company Limited, Troon, South Ayrshire on 03-09-1962

On arrival she was drawing 7' 6" for'd and 11' 00" aft

05-11-1962 : Breaking Commenced
17-12-1962 : First beaching of vessel in the breaking process
08-02-1963 : Breaking completed 100%

I will check later to see whether I have anything on her naval career and/or a photograph.

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Re: New Member hoping for information :)

Post by sparksoft » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:07 pm

Hi Ian

I found the Wikipedia article earlier, but thank you for taking the trouble to point it out to me. It is so nice to see that people are keen to try to help, I appreciate it!

Best Regards

Les :)


IanT wrote:Hello Les, Welcome to Clyde Maritime I found this on the internet if it helps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hound_%28J307%29.

Regards Ian

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Re: New Member hoping for information :)

Post by E28 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:24 pm

Hello Les, welcome to this friendly resource,

In 1940 with a huge increase in new and requisitioned tonnage, the system of pendant number recognition was reviewed, with many warship types being allocated new flag superiors, that is, the letter which preceeds the numerals.
Most appear illogical and random, in fact they are.
J became the new flag superior for all minesweepers from early 1940 until the end of WW2, when those surviving were allocated flag M superior, which remains to this day as a full NATO designation for MCM vessels.
This then presented issues with duplicate numbers, so some ships were renumbered too, but not Hound.
In the decades prior to WW2, minesweepers carried N, and surveying vessels J, then changed to A, for auxiliary.
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Re: New Member hoping for information :)

Post by Dennis Maccoy » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:03 pm

Good Evening All.

I think that the "N" designation now applies to minelayers. Survey ships are now "H" - Hydrographer.
Regards,

Dennis

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Re: New Member hoping for information :)

Post by sparksoft » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:11 pm

Hi Sean

Thank you for that comprehensive reply!

That has clear that up nicely :)

Thank you very much.

Best Regards

Les :)
E28 wrote:Hello Les, welcome to this friendly resource,

In 1940 with a huge increase in new and requisitioned tonnage, the system of pendant number recognition was reviewed, with many warship types being allocated new flag superiors, that is, the letter which preceeds the numerals.
Most appear illogical and random, in fact they are.
J became the new flag superior for all minesweepers from early 1940 until the end of WW2, when those surviving were allocated flag M superior, which remains to this day as a full NATO designation for MCM vessels.
This then presented issues with duplicate numbers, so some ships were renumbered too, but not Hound.
In the decades prior to WW2, minesweepers carried N, and surveying vessels J, now changed to A, for auxiliary.

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Re: New Member hoping for information :)

Post by sparksoft » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:14 pm

Hi Dennis

Thank you for that additional information; I can see I am going to learn a lot about my Dad's world in the war from this forum! I wish I had found it when Dad was still alive - he couldn't speak due to a stroke but he would have loved all the info and pictures I am finding with the help of people such as those in this forum!

Thank you all of you.

Its so good to find a site that does what it says on the tin and more!

Best Regards

Les :)
Dennis Maccoy wrote:Good Evening All.

I think that the "N" designation now applies to minelayers. Survey ships are now "H" - Hydrographer.

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