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Thomson, Dickie & Co

Post by Bill Harvey » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:47 pm

I am after some information if anyone can assist.

I have been looking into this company off and on for a while for a number of reasons. Apart from about four of the fleet, the remainder where operated as single ship concerns with similar titles such as The Sailing Ship 'Culmore' Company Ltd with Thomson, Dickie & Co, a Glasgow partnership acting as owning / managers.

The majority of ship names ended in ------more and some were pertinent to my origins which were not Scottish, well maybe a long time in family ancestry.

Thomson, Dickie & Co were also known as "The Maiden City Line" which begs the question why?

My home town Londonderry is also referred to as the Maiden City. Thomson, Dickie did have a vessel built at Londonderry as MAIDEN CITY and indeed she and some of their other vessels were also registered there. MAIDEN CITY was far from their first vessel.

CULMORE is a small parish downstream from Londonderry as is Culmore Bay and Culmore point where the River Foyle becomes LoughFoyle.
TEMPLEMORE exists as a small estate in the NW of the city and I attended Templemore Secondary School.
EDENBALLYMORE again was a small estate in the NW of the city.

Can anyone throw any light as to why such a connection to Londonderry was in existence when the firm was clearly Scottish?

Is it possible that the names are coincidental and that apart from Maiden City, the others could also exist in Scotland?

Thanks in advance

Bill
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Re: Thomson, Dickie & Co

Post by Bill Harvey » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:27 pm

A posting on Clydesite today may have answered in part if not entirely my question regarding the undefined link with Londonderry.

The article from Glasgow Herald in relation to the launch of CULMORE mentions Mr & Mrs Johnson from Londonderry in attendance and Mrs J performing the launch.

Interestingly the name style used ending in MORE and a Johnson family involvement lends to asking the question if there was some family link with the Johnson Line of Liverpool that ended with Furness Group as their vessels also ended in MORE?

The Dickie family were stated in the article as resident in Pollockshields.
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Re: Thomson, Dickie & Co

Post by Bill Harvey » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:36 am

The fleet which is still being worked upon.

THOMSON, DICKIE & CO.
Glasgow

?1878 – 1910 ?


Per Edinburgh Gazette issue 11116/p760 of 4th August 1899
THE Copartnership of THOMSON, DICKIE, & COMPANY, Shipowners and Marine Insurance Brokers in Glasgow, of which the Subscribers are sole Partners, has this day been DISSOLVED of mutual consent, by the retiral of the Subscriber Mrs. Christina Glen.
The Business will be continued by the other Subscribers under the same Firm, but for their own behoof alone, and they will pay all debts due by, and uplift all debts due to, the dissolved Firm.

CHRISTINA GLEN.
J. MACNAUGHTAN, 142 St. Vincent Street, Glasgow, Law-Clerk,
JAMES ELLIOT, 142 St. Vincent Street, Glasgow, Law-Clerk,
Witnesses to the Signature of Mrs. Glen.

ROBERT DICKIE.
A. OSWALD DRYSDALE.
A. WEIR, 103 West Regent Street, Glasgow, Writer,
JOHN HARVEY, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, Clerk,
Witnesses to the Signatures of Robert Dickie and Alexander Oswald Drysdale.
Glasgow, 3rd August 1899

Pre 1899
Christina Glen, Robert Dickie and Alexander Oswald Drysdale

Post 1899
Robert Dickie and Alexander Oswald Drysdale




It would appear from ship histories that all had been disposed of by the end of 1910 so what then happened to the company?

BLAIRHOYLE (1878 - 1902) iron barque.
O.N. 73796. 1,351g. n. 233.7 x 35.8 x 22.1 feet.
10.11.1875: Launched by Charles Connell & Company, Whiteinch / Scotstoun (Yard No. 97) for Thomson & Gray. (George William Gray) 79, Georges Place, Glasgow. Vessel registered at Glasgow.
1878: Sold to William McCredie Dickie, (Thomson, Dickie & Co.) 79, Georges Place, Glasgow
1900: Edmund & William Roberts, 26, Chapel St, Liverpool.
1902: Sold to C.F.A.Flugge, Hamburg, Germany and renamed ALLY.
1905: Sold to N.A.P.Staubo, Norway, and renamed PALAS (PALLAS)
13.10.1910: Whilst on a ballast voyage from Barbados to Gulfport in ballast, wrecked S.W. of Point Grand Cayman, West Indies.



CRAIG ARD (1878 – 1881) barque
O.N. 78600. 845g. n. x x feet. 59.3 x 9.8 metres
19.4.1878: Launched by A. McMillan & Son, Dumbarton (Yard No. 210) for William McCredie Dickie (Thomson, Dickie & Co.) Vessel registered at Glasgow.
3.11.1881: Lost in collision 1 nautical mile above Grimsby, R.Humber.



BRAEMAR (1885 – 1900/03) iron barque.
O.N. 90003. 1,078g. 1,036n. 216.0 x 34.0 x 19.9 feet.
30.12.1884: Launched by A. McMillan & Son, Dumbarton (Yard No. 260) for William McCredie Dickie (Thomson, Dickie & Co.)
5.2.1885: Registered at Glasgow
1891: Robert Dickie. 17, Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow. Still 1900
1900+ sold
1904: Owned by Thomas J Walmsley, 18, Chapel Street, Liverpool. Still 1911
1911: Sold Foreign
What interim owners?
12.1923 B/U Norway


GARTMORE (1885 – 1900) steel barque
O.N. 90037. 1,079g. 1,035n. 216.0 x 34.0 x 19.9 feet.
14.4.1885: Launched by A. McMillan & Son, Dumbarton (Yard No. 263).
8.5.1885: Registered at Glasgow for William McCredie Dickie (Thomson, Dickie & Co.) Vessel registered at Glasgow.
1891: Robert Dickie.
1900: Sold to J. Wimmer & Company and renamed BADEN. (Register closed foreign) (BODEN)
1913: Sold to A. Gomes, Lisbon and renamed PORTO.
27.7.1918: Sunk with gunfire by submarine south of Halifax.


MAIDEN CITY (1887 - 1896) barque
O.N. 94211. 1,197g. n. x x feet. 68.1 x 10.7 metres.
19.11.1887: Launched by Charles J. Bigger, Londonderry (Yard No.6) for William McCredie Dickie (Thomson, Dickie & Co.) Vessel registered at Londonderry
1891: Robert Dickie
17.4.1896: Wrecked at Santos




THE SAILING SHIP ‘CULMORE' COMPANY LIMITED.

Per The Edinburgh Gazette, issue 10655 page 352 of 8th March 1895

THE SAILING SHIP ‘CULMORE' COMPANY LIMITED.

AT a General Meeting of this Company, held within the Registered Office at 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, on the 12th day of February 1895, the following Special Resolution was passed, and at a subsequent Extraordinary General Meeting, held at the same place on the 4th day of March 1895, said Resolution was duly confirmed, viz.:—'That the Company be wound up voluntarily, and that Robert Dickie and Alexander Oswald Drysdale, two of the Partners of Thomson, Dickie, & Co., Shipowners and Marine Insurance Brokers, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, be appointed Joint Liquidators to conduct the winding up.'
THOMSON, DICKIE, & Co., Managers.
Registered Office,
17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow,
7th March 1895

CULMORE (1890 - 1894) steel sailing ship
O.N. 94215. 1,720g. 260.5 x 38.2 x 28.1 feet. 79.4 x 11.6 metres
21.8.1890: Launched by Russell & Co. Port Glasgow (Yard No.239).
9.1890: Completed for The Sailing Ship Culmore Company Ltd. (Thomson, Dickie & Company, managers ‘Maiden City Line’ ), Glasgow. Registered at Londonderry.
14.11.1894: Whilst on a voyage from Hamburg to Barry, capsized and sank 80 nautical miles off Spurn Point. 22 lost.




THE SAILING SHIP ‘ EDENBALLYMORE' COMPANY LIMITED.

Per The Edinburgh Gazette, issue 11225 page 826 of 21st August 1900

THE SAILING SHIP " EDENBALLYMORE " COMPANY LIMITED.

"NOTICE is hereby given that at an Extraordinary General Meeting of the above-named Company, duly convened and held in the Religious Institution Rooms, 200 Buchanan Street, Glasgow, on the 26th day of July 1900, the following Special Resolution was passed, and at a subsequent Extraordinary General Meeting of the said Company, also duly convened and held at the same place on the 14th day of August 1900, the following Special Resolution was duly confirmed, viz. :— "That the Company be wound up voluntarily, and that Robert Dickie and Alexander Oswald Drysdale, Shipowners, Glasgow, be appointed Liquidators for the purposes of such winding up."

Dated this 17th day of August 1900.

MACLEAN, FYFE, & MACLEAN,
115 St. Vincent Street, Glasgow, Agents.


EDENBALLYMORE (1890 – 1900) steel sailing ship
O.N. 94213. 1,726g. 1,642n. 260.6 x 38.2 x 23.0 feet
3.1890: Completed by Russell & Company, Port Glasgow (Yard No.224) for The Sailing Ship Edenballymore Company Ltd. (Robert Dickie, manager) (Thomson, Dickie & Company, ‘Maiden City Line’ ), Glasgow at a cost of £18,300. Vessel registered at Londonderry.
1900: Sold to The Ship Edenmore Company, (Lang & Fulton, managers), and renamed EDENMORE.
1907: Managers restyled as Lang & Fulton Ltd.
3.10.1909: Whilst on passage from Hamburg for Sydney was blown ashore at Roan, Papa Stronsay, Orkney and became a total loss.


THE SAILING SHIP ‘ TEMPLEMORE' COMPANY LIMITED.

Per The Edinburgh Gazette, issue 10487 page 785 of 28th July 1893

THE SAILING SHIP ‘TEMPLEMORE' COMPANY LIMITED.

Notice is hereby given that a General Meeting of the Members of the above-named Company will be held in the Registered Office at 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow on Friday the 1st day of September next, at eleven o’clock forenoon, to receive the Liquidators’ Report showing how the winding up of the Company has been conducted and its property disposed of, to hear any explanation that may be given by the Liquidators, and to pass a Resolution as to the disposal of the books, accounts, and other documents of the Company.
Dated this 27th day of July,1893.

Robert Dickie
Alexander Oswald Drysdale
Joint Liquidators

Strang & Weir, Solicitors

TEMPLEMORE (1890 – 1893) steel sailing ship
O.N. 94214. 1,717g. n. 258.7 x 38.2 x 23.1 feet. 78.8 x 11.6 metres,
21.4.1890: Launched by Russell & Company, Port Glasgow (Yard No.238).
7.1890: Completed for The Sailing Ship Templemore Company Ltd. (Robert Dickie, manager) (Thomson, Dickie & Company, ‘Maiden City Line’ ), Glasgow
14.7.1890: Vessel registered at Londonderry.
2.3.1893: Whilst on a voyage from Wallaroo to British ports she was crushed between two icebergs north of the Falkland Islands, and was abandoned.
10.3.1893: Sank in 50.20S., 50.40W.,



THE SAILING SHIP ‘ LARGIEMORE' COMPANY LIMITED.

Per The Edinburgh Gazette, issue 12251 page 540 of 20th May 1910

SPECIAL RESOLUTIONS passed at an Extraordinary General Meeting of THE SAILING SHIP "LARGIEMORE" COMPANY LIMITED, held within the Registered Office of the Company, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, on 25th April 1910, and confirmed at a subsequent Extraordinary General Meeting of the Company, held at the same place on the 13th day of May 1910. (1) "That the Company be wound up voluntarily, and that Mr. Robert Dickie (of Thomson, Dickie, & Company, Ship Owners and Insurance Brokers),
17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, be Liquidator to conduct the winding up." (2) " That a Committee of Shareholders be appointed to
advise with the Liquidator in negotiating for the sale of the Company's Ship 'Largiemore.'"
Certified as correct.
ROBERT DICKIE, Liquidator.


THE SAILING SHIP "LARGIEMORE" COMPANY LIMITED,
(in Liquidation).
NOTICE is hereby given, pursuant to section 188 (1) of the Companies (Consolidation) Act, 1908, that a Meeting of the Creditors of the above-named Company will be held within the Registered Office, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, on Tuesday, 31st current, at
eleven o'clock forenoon.
ROBERT DICKIE, Liquidator.
STRANG & WEIR, Writers, Glasgow, Law-Agents.
Glasgow, 18th May 1910.


LARGIEMORE (1892 - 1910) steel sailing ship
O.N. 99864. 1,938g. n. x x feet. 80.1 x 11.9 metres.
2.11.1892: Launched by Russell & Company, Port Glasgow (Yard No.313).
1892: Completed for The Sailing Ship Largiemore Company Ltd. (Robert Dickie, manager) (Thomson, Dickie & Company, ‘Maiden City Line’ ). Vessel registered at Glasgow
1910: Sold to Henry Bjorn, Norway
20.3.1914: Sailed Montevideo for Port Adelaide and went missing (22*)



THE SAILING SHIP ‘ ARRANMORE' COMPANY LIMITED.

Per The Edinburgh Gazette, issue 12251 pages 540-541 of 20th May 1910

SPECIAL RESOLUTIONS passed at an Extraordinary General Meeting of THE SAILING SHIP "ARRANMORE" COMPANY LIMITED, held within the Registered Office of the Company, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, on 27th April 1910, and confirmed at a subsequent Extraordinary General Meeting of the Company, held at the same place on the 13th day of May 1910. (1) "That the Company be wound up voluntarily, and that Mr. Robert Dickie (of Thomson, Dickie, & Company, Ship Owners and Insurance Brokers), 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, be Liquidator to conduct the winding up." (2) " That a Committee of Shareholders be appointed
to advise with the Liquidator in negotiating for the sale, of the Company's Ship ' Arranmore.' "
Certified as correct.
ROBERT DICKIE, Liquidator.




THE SAILING SHIP "ARRANMORE" COMPANY LIMITED
(in Liquidation).

"NOTICE is hereby given, pursuant to section 188 (1) of the Companies (Consolidation) Act, 1903, that a Meeting of the Creditors of the above-named Company will be held within the Registered Office, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, on Tuesday, 31st current, at
eleven o'clock forenoon.”
ROBERT DICKIE, Liquidator.
STRANG & Went, Writers, Glasgow,
Law-Agents.
Glasgow, 18th May 1910.


ARRANMORE (1893 – 1910) steel sailing ship
O.N. 102634. 1,946g. n. x x feet. 88.8 x 12.8 metres
3.10.1893: Launched by Russell & Company, Port Glasgow (Yard No. 338)
10.1893: Completed for The Sailing Ship Arranmore Company Ltd. (Robert Dickie, manager) (Thomson, Dickie & Company, ‘Maiden City Line’ ). Vessel registered at Glasgow.
1910: Sold to H.Folsch & Co. and renamed WALTRAUTE
1920: To British Govt and renamed VINDICATRIX as a moored school ship
1.1967: Demolished at Newport



THE SAILING SHIP "BLAIRMORE" COMPANY LIMITED.

Per The Edinburgh Gazette issue 11018 page 854 of 30th August 1898

THE SAILING SHIP "BLAIRMORE" COMPANY LIMITED.

AT a General Meeting of this Company, held within the Religious Institution Rooms, 200 Buchanan Street, Glasgow, on the 9th day of August 1898, the following Special Resolution Was passed, and at a subsequent Extraordinary General Meeting held at the same place on the 24th day of August 1898, said Resolution was duly confirmed, viz. :— " That the Company be wound up voluntarily, and that Robert Dickie and Alexander Oswald Drysdale, two of the Partners of Thomson, Dickie, & Co., Shipowners and Marine Insurance Brokers, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, be appointed Joint Liquidators to conduct the winding up.

THOMSON, DICKIE, & Co., Managers.
Registered Office,
17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow,
27th August 1898


BLAIRMORE (1893 – 1898) steel sailing ship
O.N. 102629. 1,917g. n. 264.0 x 39.0 x 23.5 feet. 80.5 x 11.9 metres.
30.8.1893: Launched A. McMillan & Son, Dumbarton (Yard No. 383)
9.1893: Completed for The Sailing Ship Blairmore Company Ltd. (Robert Dickie, manager) (Thomson, Dickie & Company, ‘Maiden City Line’ ). Vessel registered at Glasgow
1896: Capsized whilst anchored in Frisco Bay
1898: Sold to R.Sudden, and renamed ABBY PALMER, re-rigged as a barque.
1906: Sold to Alaska Packers', and renamed STAR OF ENGLAND
1935: Sold to Island Tug & Barge Co. renamed ISLAND STAR and reduced to a barge.
1955: Deleted from Lloyd’s Register






THE SAILING SHIP ‘ CRAIGMORE' COMPANY LIMITED.

Per Edinburgh Gazette issue 12214/p171-2 dated 15th February 1910
SPECIAL RESOLUTIONS passed at an Extraordinary General Meeting of THE SAILING SHIP " CRAIGMORE" COMPANY LIMITED, held within the Registered Office of the Company, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, on 20th January 1910, and confirmed at a subsequent Extraordinary General Meeting of the Company, held at the same place on the 7th day of February 1910:— (1) "That the Company be wound up voluntarily ; and that Mr. Robert Dickie (of Thomson, Dickie, & Co., Shipowners and Insurance Brokers), 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, be Liquidator to conduct the winding up." (2) "That a Committee of Shareholders be appointed to advise with the Liquidator in negotiating for
the sale of the Company's Ship ' Craigmore.' "
Certified as correct.
A. WEIR, 141 West George Street, Glasgow, Law-Agent.


THE SAILING SHIP " CRAIGMORE " COMPANY LIMITED
In Liquidation.

"NOTICE is hereby given, pursuant to section 188 (1) of the Companies (Consolidation) Act, 1908, that a Meeting of the Creditors of the above-named Company will be held within the Registered Office, 17 Royal Exchange Square, Glasgow, on Wednesday, 23rd current, at eleven o'clock forenoon.
ROBERT DICKIE, Liquidator.

STRANG & WEIR, Writers, Glasgow, Agents.
Glasgow, 15th February 1910.


CRAIGMORE (1895 – 1910) steel sailing ship
O.N. 104635. 2,001g. n. x x feet. 80.8 x 12.2 metres.
25.6.1895: Launched by A.Rodger & Company, Port Glasgow (Yard No.313)
7.1895: Completed for The Sailing Ship Craigmore Company Ltd. (Robert Dickie, manager) (Thomson, Dickie & Company, ‘Maiden City Line’ ), Glasgow
In 1905 a Leith registered steamer of same name was built by same builder, so for 5 years there were two vessels trading with same name
1910: Sold to H.H.Schmidt, and renamed MARIE
1923: Demolished.

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