My old Mans sea Log - ships names.

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My old Mans sea Log - ships names.

Post by Harry Pocock » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:11 pm

Hello to all, I hope that you can help me....

My Old Man went to sea after passing through Gravesend Sea School on January 9th, 1948, aged 17. I have just visited my old Mum, and I have his discharge book here with me now. He died nearly 20 years ago, and I miss him still. He came ashore aged 30 and promptly got my then 16 year old mum pregnant, and he never went back to Sea. He missed it for the rest of his life.
So, in this "Certificate of Discharge" book I have the names of all the ships he sailed in between 1948 and 1952 and whilst he was a great storyteller, he wasn't much of photographer ! Does anyone have any photographs of any of the vessels named below ?? I'd love to be able to see the very ships that he talked so much about.

M V Rippingham Grange
S S Ledbury
M V Scottish Heather
SS Bronte
M V Highland Monarch
" Royal Star "
S S Fort Enterprise
" Beaverdell "
M V Highland Brigade
S S Caslon

Apparently, or so I am told, that after 1952 they stopped using books and you got papers instead...I have a couple of them, my sister has the rest. There is one ship that he sailed with whenever he could, as she did a run down to the West Indies and then on to the States. This must have been in the mid to late fifties, and she remained his favourite. He referred to her as " The Old Madonna", but she could of been just The Madonna. If anyone can shed any light on her, or any of those listed above, I shall forever be in your debt.

Thanks for looking,

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Post by yorkieman » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:10 pm

Here is Houlder Brothers LEDBURY, for a start
LEDBURY.jpg
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:25 pm

Harry :

Sent a response a while ago and it's 'disappeared', gone, lost without trace, a veritable Marie Celeste :o

Here it is again :

Rippingham Grange : O.N. 169564 : 10,365 tons : Houlder Line Company Limited
Ledbury : O.N. 169650 : 7,219 tons : Alexander Shipping Company Limited
Scottish Heather : O.N. 160471 : 7,005 tons : Tankers Limited
Bronte : O.N. 161147 : 5,314 tons : Lamport & Holt Company Limited
Highland Monarch : O.N. 148158 : 14,158 tons : Nelson Line
Royal Star : 168989 : 9,208 tons : Union International
Fort Enterprise : O.N. 168460 : 7,126 tons : British Government
Beaverdell : O.N. 180818 : 9,901 tons : Canadian Pacific
Highland Brigade : O.N. 148164 : 14,131 tons : Nelson Line
Caslon : O.N. 183030 : 5,684 tons : Transatlantic Carriers Limited

There are about 8 or 9 possible vessels in the period in question under the name ‘Madonna’. If there are any further snippets of information, dates, durations, ports, or suchlike, that might help.

Sometimes seagoing appointments were recorded on a separate paper document, as opposed to being entered into the Seaman’s Continuous Certificate of Discharge (Discharge Book) and these generally contained the same type of information, e.g. Name, Age, Birthplace, Capacity, Date and Place of Engagement, Date of & Place of Discharge, Signatures of Official/master, etc. As far as I am aware, Discharge Books were never done away with, and certainly not during the time of your late Dad’s seagoing career.

If you do not have the above accesses let me know and in that case I will assemble the details for you from the official records. All part of the friendly ClydeMaritime service !
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Re: My old Mans sea Log - ships names.

Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:28 pm

yorkieman wrote:Here is Houlder Brothers LEDBURY, for a start
LEDBURY.jpg

George - did you mean to make an image attachment ? :roll:

(Ledbury was a well-known vessel amongst my island's seafarers, including my own grandfather)
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Post by yorkieman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:25 am

Added now, Angus, some problem last night .... too much sun maybe?
This is the 1943 Liberty ex SAMDAK which ran for Houlder 1948-1961.
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Post by yorkieman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:26 am

With her funnel topped for transit of the Manchester Ship Canal
ROYAL STAR
ROYALSTAR1942.jpg
1942, 9205grt
Greenock Dockyard (451) as EMPIRE WISDOM
1946 ROYAL STAR, Blue Star Line
1961 CALEDONIA STAR, converted to a motor vessel
Broken up at Kaohsiung 1/1972
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Post by yorkieman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:30 am

HIGHLAND MONARCH 1928-1960
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Post by Harry Pocock » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:36 pm

Thankyou each so very much.....I can't believe that after all these years that I would actually get to see some of his ships, and so quickly......You've made a middle aged old man smile !
I can't remember much else about the Madonna, but I think she was one of the "lend-lease" or Liberty ships that managed to get through unscathed and I know that he sailed in her several times, and always (I Think) to the West Indies, especially Jamaica, which he loved. He came ashore in '61, and she's not mentioned in the discharge book that that I have, so she must've been at sea between '52 and '61....the more I think about it, the more I'm sure him telling me that he sailed on a few of the old Liberty ships, and she was his favourite so I hope that helps..

Thank you again, everyone, your kindness is treasure to me.

Kind Regards,

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Post by yorkieman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:03 pm

CASLON is here

http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/v ... sp?id=1055

RIPPINGHAM GRANGE here

http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/R-Ships ... e1943.html

BEAVERDELL here, unfortunatley not a full photo
http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/v ... p?id=18326

MADONNA from what you write is likely to be the 1942 completion by Todd-Bath, Portland as OCEAN GLORY, she became CLAN MACBETH of Clan Line 1948-1959 then MADONNA 1959-1961 owned by Wheelock, Marden who I think were Hong Kong based, maybe she got a charter to one of the lines serving the West Indies.
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Post by yorkieman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:17 pm

... and here is FORT ENTERPRISE in later life as MAHSUD of Brocklebank
MAHSUD1943.jpg
1943, 7164grt
West Coast Shipbuilders, Vancouver (117) as FORT ENTERPRISE
1951 TAVISTOCK
1952 SOUTHWICK
1956 MAHSUD
1961 MARINE TRAVELLER
1962 BANDAHARA
1964 OTONE
Arrived at Hirao for scrapping on 9/4/1966
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Re: My old Mans sea Log - ships names.

Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:56 pm

Think you are along same tracks as myself, George, with these suggestions - I was preparing a comprehensive response on each vessel but it would be largely repetitive of what you have provided which, I think, is more than sufficient for the purpose and will please Harry no end - thanks. :clap:

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Post by yorkieman » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:35 am

Still a few to find, Angus, maybe on Photoship, can you have alook, have not time to search just now as wife on crutches :( and me on hard labour .... :( :(
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:00 pm

yorkieman wrote:Still a few to find, Angus, maybe on Photoship, can you have alook, have not time to search just now as wife on crutches :( and me on hard labour .... :( :(

Oh, No ..... ! See? I told you not to leave the poor lass to haul all these heavy sacks of millet up into the barn on her own - you might have offered her a wee hand - you chauvinist personage. Hard labour's too good for you ....

Right, back to business. As far as I can see you have successfully posted images of the following vessels :

Rippingham Grange
Ledbury
Highland Monarch
Royal Star
Fort Enterprise
Caslon


and I have to try and source the following vessels :

Scottish Heather
Bronte
Beaverdell
Highland Brigade
Madonna


Right, I'll get on with it.

Meantime, look after her ladyship and you get the hoovering, ironing, cleaning, shopping, cooking, washing up, laundry, etc., as attended to.

Will I send you down a few sets of my Marigolds? (Hee! Hee!)
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:18 pm

Some images of the BEAVERDELL
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Beaverdell - 1.jpg
Beaverbell - 1
Beaverdell - 2.jpg
Beaverbell - 2
Beaverdell - 3.jpg
Beaverbell - 3
Beaverdell - 4.jpg
Beaverbell - 4
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:28 pm

Some images of BRONTE

One is of the older steamship and the other two are of the later motorship - which I think is the right one.
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Steamer 'Bronte'.jpg
Steamer BRONTE
Bronte - 1.jpg
Motorship BRONTE
Bronte - 2.jpg
Motorship BRONTE
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:40 pm

Images of HIGHLAND BRIGADE
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Highland Brigade 1.jpg
Highland Brigade - 1
Highland Brigade 2.jpg
Highland Brigade - 2
Highland Brigade 3.jpg
Highland Brigade - 3
Highland Brigade 4.jpg
Highland Brigade - 4
Highland Brigade 5.jpg
Highland Brigade - 5
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:54 pm

Scottish Heather - seen here later as the Athelcrest (I think!)
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Athelcrest - thought to be the ex-Scottish Heather of 1928
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Athelcrest - thought to be the ex-Scottish Heather of 1928
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:00 pm

Madonna - seen here as the earlier Clan Macbeth
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Clan Macbeth - old
Clan Macbeth - 2.jpg
Clan Macbeth - old
Clan Macbeth - 3.jpg
Clan Macbeth - later
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Re: My old Mans sea Log - ships names.

Post by yorkieman » Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:48 pm

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BRONTE ... lower 2 photos are the SD14 type much later than this period, and the top one is the 1919 by McMillan lost 1939.
The one we seek is the 1930 by Cammell Laird as BENEDICT then took name BRONTE 1948-1950 only, so photos under that name may be rare.
As you know as a man of letters, there were several Bronte sisters ..... :lol:

SCOTTISH HEATHER
The ATHELCREST you show is the 1957 version from Lithgows, so we need to keep hunting!

MADONNA
Will be the lowest of the CLAN MACBETH's that you show, as this is clearly an Ocean class.
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Post by yorkieman » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:01 pm

Just remembered there is a splendid private site on Athel Line, and the one you seek is ATHELCREST (3) on this page, a poor photo of her as SCOTTISH HEATHER

http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancest ... lcrest.htm
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Post by Angus Mac Kinnon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:14 pm

Yes - thought some of these might be incorrect. :(

Will wait to see if Harry provides any further details from the Discharge Book/s, e.g. O.N., Dates, Tonnages, or suchlike, that would eliminate the guessswork and make the job easier.

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